Was Prop 8 a “ban” or simply a definition?


Proposition 8, from day one, has been called a “gay marriage ban” by supporters of gay “marriage”. But is it?

The word ‘ban’ is negative. Like ‘taboo,’ the term offends modern sensibilities trained to be ever more accepting of any envelope-pushing behavior. That’s why the media describe California’s Proposition 8 constitutional marriage law as a ‘ban,’ not the codification of something positive and timeless. The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) has been misreported for years as the ‘federal ban on gay marriage.’ … The media have turned the meaning of marriage on its head. Calling the law a ‘ban’ says its only purpose is to discriminate against homosexuals. By this reasoning, any law or policy that defines something is a ‘ban.’ But a license to practice law or medicine is not a ‘ban’ on those without law or medical degrees. It is recognition of the holder’s qualifications. A state’s requirements for a driver’s license are not a ‘ban’ on the underaged or the untrained. Marriage as the union of a man and a woman predates all other human institutions. It was not created to annoy homosexuals. Marriage laws exclude all but one man and one unrelated woman. … Just because homosexual activists have led the assault is not an excuse to pretend that marriage has only the purpose of excluding them. … The next time you see someone cite the ‘ban on gay marriage,’ it’s the work of radical cultural activists — or someone dancing to their tune.

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6 thoughts on “Was Prop 8 a “ban” or simply a definition?

  1. If you’re preventing American citizens – who are all entitled to the same rights – from doing something they’re entitled to, it’s a ban. The definition of marriage stems from religion which has no place in our government, ruling our people. I have my own definition of marriage that many would probably agree with, but I don’t try to force it upon a nation and have rules made out of it, more so *stopping* anyone from doing something. We should put a ban on the 50% and rising nation-wide divorce rate since it offends the “universal definition of marriage” so blatantly.

    • Marriage isn’t a right. It’s a privilege conferred upon a man and a woman by the society in which they live. It has been for over 4,000 years of recorded human history. Great pains were taken since the earliest written records protect it as an institution, both for family and nation building and for protection of private property.

      Since when did marriage become an entitlement or a civil right? What if I haven’t found someone who’ll marry me? Do I get to go to a courthouse and demand that my civil rights be protected…drag some poor woman out of the street and force her to marry me? Get real. We’re not talking about access to equal opportunity for employment, education, public places, drinking fountains, or bathrooms. We’re talking about building the next generation of America through the family.

      No “rules” were being made by Prop 8. You have to read the text of the amendment. It’s a re-iteration of a common-sense definition, as defined by nature and the world at large for millennia.

      Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.

      That’s it. The FULL TEXT of the amendment. The word “ban” does not appear. The word “rule” or “law” or “restriction” does not appear. Please stop trying to turn it into something it’s clearly not.

      I’m with you on a ban on divorce, or at least more severe restrictions on it. The other part of the marriage contract with society was that once society invested itself in supporting stable families, the man and woman that started them needed to finish what they started. We used to have that before “no-fault” divorce came into play. Now, because people can divorce for the most ridiculous of reasons, we have that 50% divorce rate which has directly led to the contentions we’re now having about something nobody questioned for thousands of years.

      Congratulations. Progress. =-\

      • Why is it so important you that this “privilege” not change and be opened up to a new generation. Why does it seem like people are threatened by this? And by the way, not questioning something for thousands of years doesn’t mean we should never question it. Think of how antiquated and backwards our world would be.

      • I suppose you’ve never heard the phrase “the wisdom of the ages”. Let’s start with a few timeless truths that, when ignored, lead to havoc in our world.

        An evil gain equals a loss.

        Publilius Syrus (fl. B.C. 42)
        Syrian Born – Roman Writer of Aphorisms

        OR, how about this one:

        Do unto others as you’d have them do unto you.

        Activists have published on the Internet an “Anti-Gay Blacklist” of Prop. 8 donors. If the tables were turned and Prop. 8 proponents created such an enemies list, everyone in Hollywood would be screaming “McCarthyism” faster than you could count to eight.

        A Los Angeles restaurant whose manager made a small donation to the Prop. 8 campaign has been besieged nightly by hordes of protesters who have disrupted business, intimidated patrons and brought employees to tears. Out of fear for their jobs and their lives, workers at El Coyote Mexican Cafe pooled together $500 to pay off the bullies.

        Scott Eckern, the beleaguered artistic director of California Musical Theatre in Sacramento, was forced to resign over his $1,000 donation to the Prop. 8 campaign. Rich Raddon, director of the Los Angeles Film Festival, is next on the chopping block after the anti-Prop. 8 mob discovered that he had also contributed to the “Yes on 8” campaign. Calls have been pouring in for his firing.

        Anti-Prop. 8 organizers have targeted Mormon, Catholic and evangelical churches. Sentiments like this one, found on the anti-Prop.8 website “JoeMyGod,” are common across the left-wing blogosphere: “Burn their f—-ing churches to the ground, and then tax the charred timbers.”
        Thousands of gay-rights demonstrators stood in front of the Mormon temple in Los Angeles shouting “Mormon scum.” The Mormon headquarters in Salt Lake City received threatening letters containing an unidentified powder. Religion-bashing protesters filled with hate decried the “hate” at Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church in Orange County, Calif. Vandals defaced the Calvary Chapel in Chino Hills, Calif., because church members had collected Prop. 8 petitions. One worshiper’s car was keyed with the slogans “Gay sex is love” and “SEX.” Another car’s antenna and windshield wipers were broken.

        In Carlsbad, Calif., a man was charged with punching his elderly neighbors over their pro-Prop. 8 signs. In Palm Springs, Calif., a videographer filmed unhinged anti-Prop. 8 marchers who yanked a large cross from the hands of 69-year-old Phyllis Burgess and stomped on it.

        In San Francisco, Christians evangelizing in the Castro District needed police protection after the same-sex marriage mob got physical and hounded them off the streets. Enthusiastically shooting themselves in the foot, anti-Prop. 8 boycotters are now going after the left-wing Sundance Film Festival because it does business in Mormon-friendly Utah.

        Also targeted: Cinemark Theaters across the country. The company’s CEO, Alan Stock, donated just under $10,000 to the traditional marriage measure. Never mind that Cinemark theaters are hosting the new biopic about gay icon Harvey Milk. They must pay for the sins of the company head who dared to exercise his political free speech.

        Corporate honchos, church leaders and small donors alike are in the same-sex marriage mob’s crosshairs, all unfairly demonized as hate-filled bigots by bona fide hate-filled bigots who have abandoned decency in pursuit of “equal rights.” One wonders where Barack Obama — himself an opponent of Proposition 8 — is as this insane rage rages on. Soul-Fixer, Nation-Healer, where art thou?

        As I’ve said before, I have personally received death threats for my non-violent support of Prop 8. If you’re so keen on dialing back and throwing out tradition, is this something you’re willing to throw out as well? Because that’s what is going on right now.

  2. So you propose we sit still as a society and never make changes as the world progresses? For fear that there will be backlash? Because there will always be backlash. Even backlash of standing still. I’m not making any threats here, nor do I ever support threats or violence (as I’m sure you’ve already pinpointed me as a tree-hugging peace-loving hippie liberal or something), but making new traditions (not throwing out old ones) is how this melting pot of a nation will keep up with the rest.

    • I merely pointed out the hypocrisy of the leftist radical rhetoric of today in playing the victim card while saying they are so loving and accepting and tolerant, and then turning around and dishing out persecution on Proposition 8 in a greater magnitude than they have received.

      Tradition: There are healthy traditions with healthy consequences, and there are unhealthy traditions with unhealthy consequences. I’m only interested in protecting the ones with healthy consequences.

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